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welcome back everybody very special day

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today we probably have the top mind uh

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government and everything else we have

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the leader of the Galileo project we

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you know the uh the man who brought us

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umuamua we're talking about Avi lobe and

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he's on the show today professors in the

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house right yeah absolutely yeah up

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studies Professor is in the house and uh

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ask Avi he's told us we can ask him

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anything and we're going to ask him

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anything and uh we're gonna see what he

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has to say I know he's very well spoken

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he's going to try to shed some light on

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you know are we going the right

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direction is he finding anything cool

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what's the right way in his mind to get

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more actual evidence because there's a

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lot of talk not a whole lot of evidence

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and he's about finding it so I'm super

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pumped to chat with this man Jay are you

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ready oh I'm ready to do this let's do

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this we'll be right back with Mr Avi

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welcome back very special episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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thank you you are so kind illustrious

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co-host I love it how are you yeah and

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it's a good day today we're we're

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chatting with one of the brightest Minds

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on the topic somebody very current and

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somebody in a very interesting role and

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I mean everybody's heard of avilo I have

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just some of his uh credentials here I

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the professor of science at Harvard

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University he has a PHD in theoretical

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physics he's a best-selling author

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director of The Institute for Theory and

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computation and he is the head of the

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Galileo project and that in itself is a

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lot so we can only pick his brain so

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much in the hour that we have here but

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questions and get to know him and get to

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know what we can expect coming in the

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future so a very warm welcome to our

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good friend Mr Avi Lope

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thanks for hosting me and you could have

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saved some time if you just Define me as

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a farm boy I was born on a farm and that

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pretty much shaped my scientific career

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at least your hard work I think for sure

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second is I became connected to Nature

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much more so than two people so I don't

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Prejudice without you know with humility

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basically because very often nature

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gives us a message that we haven't

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expected just a century ago as an

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example we discovered quantum mechanics

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counter-intuitive to many people

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many years on the wrong ideas of how to

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interpret quantum mechanics but we found

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it experimentally and obviously nobody

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understanding of quantum mechanics so my

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quantum mechanics to be the way it is

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monologue many of my colleagues feel

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that they are smart enough to have a

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monologue to say to Nature what it's

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symmetry all kinds of statements and

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demonstrate that they are smart my point

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learning experience you learn about the

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world and you have to be humble because

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you pay too much attention to people you

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can go in a dark alleys that lead

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nowhere you can spend tens of billions

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of dollars in searching for things that

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do not exist and an example for that is

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the Large Hadron Collider searching for

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space that a lot of scientists were

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arguing must be there and even the Dark

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didn't do we didn't find those things

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modesty and of course that's on the

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negative side of expecting things and

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not finding them but there is the other

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side which is not expecting things and

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then finding them to our surprise and

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you know we will talk about it but in my

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mind the interstellar objects are

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exactly that

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so what is a brilliant science mind like

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yourself doing getting into UFO and UAP

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weirdness and opening themselves up to

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this barrage of rocks and people

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throwing Stone what made you want to get

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into this particular and thank God you

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have we really appreciate your

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contribution I just want to say that but

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what made you want to go down this this

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Rabbit Hole uh you know and put your

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license and your career and everything

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else on the line well it's paying

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attention to intriguing evidence that's

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all and not paying attention to people

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this is you know the community of people

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politics you know in politics you find

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people on the two extremes making

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statements that make no sense and they

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fuel each other because one extreme says

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nonsense and the Other Extreme says look

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at this nonsense and therefore they go

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the opposite direction so the same

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happens in this case there are people

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who are believers they had some

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experience at age seven in their bedroom

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they they saw some lights

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sense you know science is not about

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belief and a seven-year-old kid is not a

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scientist and the fact that the kid saw

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some lights that could have been coming

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mean that is not evidence and therefore

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the belief of that person is nothing is

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no evidence for anything okay and then

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um meteors one from 2014 another one

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from March 2017. the third one was

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weird and we can talk more about it

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the book that I wrote um you know

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photographs of this object ID you know

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photograph so to me it's all about

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evidence and if the evidence looks

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intriguing like all three objects appear

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space rocks we had seen before and

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an extreme shape most likely flat it was

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mysterious Force without showing

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cometary tale it was definitely not a

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comet and the question is whether any of

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that these objects the first ones

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peculiar they didn't look like something

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familiar and then of course the U.S

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seriously about unidentified aerial

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basket of things that I really care

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you know the evidence is not conclusive

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however you know many of my colleagues

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new as usual and it gets to an extreme

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situation I can give an example where a

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very distinguished Journal called annual

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prestigious review papers on subject in

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astrophysics and he wrote a review about

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omuamua so that was supposed to be the

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authoritative summary of what we know

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paper about the comet omuamua so I asked

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him how can you call it a comet that was

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evidence for any carbon based molecules

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around it because the space of Space

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type that we are familiar with so he

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it didn't show a commentary tale when we

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looked at it but when we didn't look at

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it when we looked away it had a

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commentary tale and I told him to me it

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at an elephant and then saying this is a

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zebra and it shows its stripes when we

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look away from the elephant and that

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makes little sense now the fact that a

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person from the mainstream

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who writes a review about the object

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which is supposed to summarize

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everything we know goes in that

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direction tells you a lot because it

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says you know that person and the

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community that justifies it would much

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rather speak about the object in

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familiar terms call it a comet even

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though it's not a comet so that they

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would feel comfortable and move on and

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ignore it and that again is completely

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unreasonable okay so I'm trying to

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follow common sense I'm trying to go in

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the middle and just collect more

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evidence because I say here is something

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unusual you know and it's quite possible

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that it's a probe from another

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civilization why not allow for that we

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sent out five Interstellar probes you

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know ourselves in 50 years okay and so

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other stars formed five billion years

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before the sun and if there was a

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civilization like ours it could have

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sent such a you know chemical Rockets

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billions of years ago and it takes only

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half a billion years for a chemical

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rocket to Traverse the entire Milky Way

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galaxy so they could have arrived here

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so what is wrong with considering

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something that we ourselves are doing

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and then just you know checking it out

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collecting more evidence and you know

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there are many reasons why this is not

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popular in the scientific Community one

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of them is of course the Other Extreme

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of people claiming everything is

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extraterrestrial but without any proof

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but uh also you know experts prefer to

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explain everything they see based on

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their past knowledge because that that's

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where their reputation hangs and uh the

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the person you know the their statue

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stature and uh so they would much rather

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not go in into new territories and uh

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they would claim that everything in the

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sky is rocks even if it's a rock of a

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type that we've never seen before just

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like a cave dweller when finding a cell

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phone would argue it's a rock of a type

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that I've never seen before

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oh actually good point uh yeah so when

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you were talking about how nature Like

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You observe nature you're a big fan of

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Nature and one thing that I appreciate

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is that you

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understand that if there's such things

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as extraterrestrial visitations or other

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beings out there it's part of nature

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it's it's part of of the galactic nature

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it's not just you know us here thinking

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that we're by ourselves when there might

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be teeming of Life out there in the

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universe yeah so it's it's great to have

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that and to hear that and there's a lot

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of uh you know people saying

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reminiscence or of you know John Mack

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when John Mack was at Harvard he had a

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hard time for a while like some people

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sort of giving them a rough time for his

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ideas and conceptions that's quite

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different because he was he was

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interested in the psychology of people

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who claim the to be abducted I don't

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consider humans as scientific detectors

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because humans are often you know

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um hallucinating have wishful thinking

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uh you know you cannot in science when

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you do physics you cannot uh use

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eyewitness testimonies to substantiate

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any any

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claim scientific claim uh he was just

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focusing on humans so that that's a very

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big difference and you know humans maybe

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you know those people who claim they

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were abducted who claim they've had

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experiences they have something in

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common so the best you can hope by

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examining them is to study what do they

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have in common they could all be

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illusioned by the same mechanism I don't

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care about it I want to find what is out

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there in the reality that we all share

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just like you know uh the question of

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whether the Earth moves around the Sun

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or the the Earth is at the center of the

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universe that's that's not a question

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that you can resolve based on what

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people tell you because you know for a

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thousand years people believe that we

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are in the center of the world and and

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you know that was true also just two

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decades ago in my home when my daughters

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uh you know when they were infants they

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thought that they're at the center of

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the universe because the universe for

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them was our home the they they realize

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that we pay that we all run around them

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and of course they had the psychological

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shock on the first day in the

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kindergarten because they found a

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smarter kid on their block and that was

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really traumatic as far as they were

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concerned so my point is our

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civilization will mature when we meet

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others and until then you know people

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tend to be quite arrogant because that

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gives us a good feeling you know to

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think that we are the center of the

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world but then we realize oh okay the

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Earth moves around the sun we cannot

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really ignore that we cannot ignore the

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facts after we have enough data

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initially you know Galileo was put in

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house arrest today he would have been

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canceled on social media but eventually

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those philosophers who didn't want his

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voice to be heard you know they would

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never be able to reach Mars with a

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spacecraft because they thought that

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Mars moves around the earth and that's

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the wrong idea reality is whatever it is

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that's my point that people can say

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whatever they want just to beautify

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reality you know just like people put

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makeup so that they look better people

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to take recreational drugs so that

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reality will appear much more appealing

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to them people put goggles that bring

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them to the metaverse where they always

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look like Brad Pitt and they live among

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celebrities the question is okay they

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feel better this way but it's not the

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reality that we all share and the reason

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I really focus on the reality that we

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share I would like to see the pimples on

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the face of reality I don't want any

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makeup the reason that I want to do that

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as a scientist is because only when you

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understand the actual reality that we

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all share without any Illusions you can

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adapt to it so if you realize that the

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pandemic is caused by a virus you can

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try and develop mRNA vaccines okay if

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you realize uh you know

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that gravity is is a curvature of space

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and time you can design GPS systems that

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allow you to navigate if you understand

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quantum mechanics you can develop cell

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phones and computers that we all use you

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can develop the internet so the point is

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you can shape reality only if you

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understand it if you have the wrong

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ideas about reality you will just go in

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dark alleys that lead nowhere you know

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just like those philosophers during the

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days of Galileo they would never reach

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Mars they would send Rockets all over

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the place and go these Rockets will go

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in directions that will never get to the

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destination they would waste a lot of

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money just because they had the wrong

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idea about reality so I think it's our

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duty to try and understand reality so we

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can adapt to it and that includes not

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just what happens on Earth it includes

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what happens in space so the Earth moves

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around the Sun you know that's of course

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old news but then the question is are we

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really the only

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kid in our Cosmic neighborhood and my

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guess probably not I don't think we're

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special I think it's arrogant to think

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that we are special and unique and in

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fact we now know that you know about a

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few percent to a hundred percent of all

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the stars like the Sun have a planet the

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size of the Earth roughly the same

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separation so you know it's clear that

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what we find in our backyard is not

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unique and the the dice of intelligent

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uh civilizations was rolled billions of

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times within the Milky Way galaxy alone

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okay and so we're probably in the middle

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of our class of civilizations and we

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just started our Science and Technology

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a century ago so you know that it's very

447
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unlikely that you would find someone

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exactly at your level uh most likely

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other civilizations are either much more

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primitive than we are the way we were

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let's say a million years ago or much

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more advanced than we are uh just

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because a century is of science and

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technology is just one part in 100

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million of the age of of the sun you

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know it so it's a very short window so

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it's unlikely to find them exactly in

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that Century so if they are much more

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primitive you know we will need to board

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the ship land on their planet and start

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searching through the the trees to find

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them the way we were let's say a million

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years ago uh that's that's a lot of work

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I don't think we will ever do that

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um and the other way if they are much

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more advanced than we are we don't need

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to do much we just need to look up and

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check intriguing objects because they

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reached us and we can learn from them so

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that's really the opportunity we can

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learn from them we can become smarter we

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can get limbs at our future there are

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lots of benefits to being open-minded

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so tell us a little bit about Galileo

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project a lot of people have heard of it

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they know a little bit about it so from

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The Source itself what is the Galileo

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project and why is it important right so

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um

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in June 2021

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there was a report delivered to the U.S

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Congress about unidentified aerial

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phenomena and a few weeks before the

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report the report became public Bill

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Nelson the head of NASA said that

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scientists should get engaged in

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studying UAP and understanding their

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nature

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you know the government is not a

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scientific organization and if a

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government official says that he used to

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be a senator he was he's also classified

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data on UAP so I took his words

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seriously and I approached an assigned

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basically said that I would be glad to

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make their boss happy

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and I was asked to submit a white paper

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about it and I heard nothing

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in return so around the same time a few

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multi-billionaires

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decided to contribute

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to my research account at Harvard

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without me doing any fundraising they

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were inspired by my book

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extraterrestrial and I decided that to

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establish the Galileo project simply to

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do what I was trying to get NASA to do

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as itself and and it's first of all

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build a suite of instruments that will

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monitor the sky you know the sky is not

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classified the reason that the most

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juicy data within government is

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classified is because it was taken by

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classified sensors and the government

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doesn't want adversaries to be aware of

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the quality of the sensors being used

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and that's why the data is not released

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but if you collect the same quality data

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or even better data with

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state-of-the-art instruments that you

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buy off the shelf just looking at the

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sky and by the way astronomers even

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though they look at the sky they they

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they look at the small portion of the

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sky or they look at very distant sources

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they never

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try you know if there is an object

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moving across the sky they ignore it and

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so we had to design a new suite of

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instruments that are not currently

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available uh in astronomical

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observatories so that's the first goal

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the first goal is to identify the

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unidentified

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the second and to help the government

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figuring out what it is and you know

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it's probably a mixed bag where you know

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most of the objects are either human

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made you know they could be used uh for

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Espionage by other countries or

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um they could be drones airplanes

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weather balloons satellites and so forth

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uh and then another part is just natural

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on earth like birds insects and so forth

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uh and the question is whether there is

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anything else and I won't be surprised

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if most of the objects have mundane

548
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:10,799
explanations but it's sufficient to have

549
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:14,580
one just one object that is beyond any

550
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,940
reasonable doubt of extraterrestrial

551
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:19,799
technological origin in other words you

552
00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:22,140
see bolts and screws on it maybe even

553
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,220
the labels saying made on exoplanet Y

554
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:27,960
and you see it behaving in ways that our

555
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:30,360
Technologies cannot reproduce and I

556
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:31,980
should emphasize

557
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:35,760
we do not imagine new physics here new

558
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:38,580
physics is a very high bar you know that

559
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,820
physicists are trying to uh find you

560
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:43,500
know find new physics in all kinds of

561
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,940
laboratory experiments and it takes

562
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:47,520
decades and a lot of effort to find any

563
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:51,299
minute deviation from the known physics

564
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:53,880
just to give you an example a decade ago

565
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:56,460
there was an experiment called Opera

566
00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:59,580
that reported neutrinos that these are

567
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:02,100
particles that are quite elusive but the

568
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,900
claim was that they move faster than

569
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,520
light based on what this experiment

570
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:08,159
detected and then there were you know

571
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:11,340
tens of Papers written about what that

572
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,140
that may mean if neutrinos move faster

573
00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:15,120
than light and that could have important

574
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:16,679
implications because you can transmit

575
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:18,900
information faster than light you can

576
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,900
basically beat the stock market because

577
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,000
all all Communications relating to the

578
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:25,440
stock market move at the speed of light

579
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,780
and if you can relay information faster

580
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,240
than light then you can make your

581
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,919
transactions before anyone else so that

582
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:33,840
you know it has huge implications if

583
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,120
something moves faster than light so

584
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:38,520
anyway then they because of all the

585
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:41,159
attention they checked the experimental

586
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,900
setup and that would have been of course

587
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:45,240
new physics and then they realized that

588
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:47,340
one of the cables was loose in the

589
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:49,860
experiment so it was clearly a problem

590
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:52,620
of a loose cable and that's why they got

591
00:23:57,850 --> 00:23:55,320
to the wrong conclusion and you know

592
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:57,860
this experiment was very carefully

593
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,780
designed and monitored and yet they had

594
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,700
some error in the way that they

595
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:04,620
connected the cable

596
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,900
um so what I'm saying is it's very

597
00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:08,820
difficult to find new physics you know

598
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:13,940
for decades we did not find new physics

599
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,400
it's all about what was known since the

600
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,500
60s the standard model of particle

601
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:22,140
physics and the Higgs boson you know was

602
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,020
discovered but it's old news it's it was

603
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:27,960
expected from the 60s so so my point is

604
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:32,000
no physics is a bar that one should only

605
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:36,900
exceed if the data is extremely good

606
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,960
very high quality so that there is no

607
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,179
doubt there is no mistake in the way the

608
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,280
data was collected and one has to be

609
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:46,380
very careful before claiming new physics

610
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,100
and you know on that front I'll give you

611
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:52,620
an example just a few months ago there

612
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,260
was a report from Ukraine by some

613
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:58,380
astronomers claiming that they see dark

614
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,620
objects at a distance of 10 kilometers

615
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,780
that move at 15 kilometers per second

616
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,299
above this case feed from the earth and

617
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,280
they said these are unidentified aerial

618
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,760
phenomena and and they are potentially

619
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:13,620
of extraterrestrial origin these are

620
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,380
dark objects and I looked at their paper

621
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,780
and immediately realized that if indeed

622
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:21,600
you had an object they claimed it's 10

623
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:24,779
10 meters in size moving at these speeds

624
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,419
that would have created a huge Fireball

625
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,480
in the atmosphere of the earth and you

626
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:32,960
cannot avoid the friction we with the

627
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,820
electrons and atoms and molecules in

628
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,400
here because they claim that the objects

629
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:40,320
are dark that means that they block

630
00:25:44,049 --> 00:25:42,539
light they block electromagnetic

631
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,059
radiation so they interact

632
00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:46,080
electromagnetically and that means that

633
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,960
it's inevitable that they would interact

634
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,400
electromagnetically with electrons in

635
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,500
the atmosphere just you know they cannot

636
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:54,240
distinguish the electric field of

637
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,559
electrons in the atmosphere from the

638
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,200
electric field of radiation so the point

639
00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:00,120
is the laws of physics required that

640
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,860
there would be a huge Fireball around

641
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:04,080
them at these speeds and then they would

642
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,299
not be dark and then I said okay well if

643
00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:08,159
they got the distance Wrong by a factor

644
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:10,340
of 10 if these objects were closer to us

645
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:13,620
then there would be emitter in size they

646
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,659
would move 1.5 kilometers per second

647
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,179
that's exactly the properties of

648
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:21,120
artillery shells and you would expect a

649
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:24,059
lot of things moving at this speed of

650
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,299
this size over the sky of Ukraine during

651
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:30,240
a war time okay and so I suggested that

652
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,520
they got the distance from long because

653
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,740
they measured it from one side usually

654
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,240
to get the distance right you need

655
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,600
multiple sites and then I was attacked

656
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:42,000
by people who are up

657
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:46,140
UAP and because they made analogies with

658
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:48,779
past reports from 20 years ago like for

659
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:51,059
example the Nimitz that has nothing to

660
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,860
do with what the astronomers in Ukraine

661
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:54,840
was it were reporting about the only way

662
00:26:59,649 --> 00:26:57,179
to respond to my criticism would be to

663
00:27:02,269 --> 00:26:59,659
say the distance

664
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:02,279
estimates are accurate actually because

665
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:06,179
of this and that but nobody replied this

666
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,480
way and also the National Academy of

667
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,940
Science in Ukraine and basically said

668
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:13,740
the same thing as I said they said that

669
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,620
the distance estimates are not uh

670
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:20,000
accurate they they also had

671
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,740
bright objects one of which they measure

672
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:25,020
the distance to from two sides so that

673
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,100
you can rely on and they found it an

674
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:31,440
elevation of a thousand kilometers I

675
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,679
just put in Google spy satellites and I

676
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:36,299
saw that the elevation of a thousand

677
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:38,580
kilometers is typical for for a spy

678
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,100
satellite so obviously that could be a

679
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:44,100
spice satellite you can't try it a paper

680
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:46,380
saying these are unidentified objects

681
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,539
that are potentially extraterrestrial if

682
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,760
you didn't rule out the possibility of a

683
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:52,260
spy satellite in the case of the bright

684
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,100
object or artillery shells or bullets in

685
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,380
the case of the dark objects and these

686
00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,659
people were claiming that and then the

687
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,179
UAP Advocates were saying well it's no

688
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,520
physics and I say

689
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,320
it's completely unacceptable you cannot

690
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:09,840
argue in favor of new physics if the

691
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:12,120
evidence is sloppy if the evidence is

692
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,260
not robust if you don't have

693
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,480
triangulation okay so on the one hand I

694
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:17,520
get rocks from the side of the Believers

695
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,860
on the other hand I get rocks on the

696
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:22,080
side of the Skeptics because they don't

697
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,320
want even to discuss this subject and

698
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:27,960
but I don't care you know because I just

699
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,700
follow the evidence if the evidence is

700
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,880
not conclusive if it's doubtful we

701
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:35,159
should seek better evidence so that's

702
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,820
the Galileo project in terms of UAP

703
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,440
collecting high quality evidence so that

704
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,720
it will be clear what the objects are

705
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,940
and we are calibrating our instruments

706
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:46,799
by the way this week is very important

707
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,659
because it's the first time we're

708
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,460
starting to collect data and we will

709
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:52,880
analyze it with artificial intelligence

710
00:28:57,789 --> 00:28:55,500
algorithms so that's one branch of the

711
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:57,799
Galileo project another one is to design

712
00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:00,600
a space mission that will run the Vu

713
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:04,400
with the next there is a dating app the

714
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:07,860
very a Rubin observatory in Chile that

715
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,279
would alert us within a year to objects

716
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,980
like and then we could in principle send

717
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,260
the camera that will come close to the

718
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,080
next and take a close-up photograph so

719
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,120
we got about a quarter of a million

720
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,940
dollars for the design of such emissions

721
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:26,720
we are working on that and the third

722
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:31,559
branch is to scoop the ocean floor for

723
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,059
the fragments from the first

724
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:35,880
Interstellar medial meteor that landed

725
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,720
in 2014 near Papua New Guinea about 100

726
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,179
miles of the coast and for that I

727
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,159
received the one and a half million

728
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,640
dollars in a donation that funds it

729
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,740
entirely and we have an excellent team

730
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:52,320
that has some of the best experts in the

731
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:55,620
world in Ocean Expeditions and we plan

732
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,620
to go next spring and they basically

733
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,299
scoop the ocean floor find those

734
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,340
fragments because we know that this

735
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:04,380
meteor was tougher than iron it was

736
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:08,279
tougher than all 200 172 other space

737
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,880
rocks in the catalog of meteors that the

738
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:14,220
government compiled so it's clearly an

739
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,620
outlier it's the first Interstellar

740
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,840
object ever discovered roughly half a

741
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:21,419
meter in size and it exploded about

742
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:25,500
above the ocean surface an elevation of

743
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:29,039
about 19 kilometers and then the

744
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:31,559
fragments from it should be on the ocean

745
00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:33,179
floor and

746
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,159
um you know it released a few percent of

747
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,679
the energy of the Hiroshima atomic bomb

748
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,200
so so that was quite a powerful

749
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:43,200
explosion at 4 AM near Papua New Guinea

750
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,440
in 2014 I'm sure it woke up some of the

751
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,500
residents there and we are planning to

752
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:51,480
figure out what the object was made of

753
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:52,679
was it

754
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,039
um rock you know an unusual Rock perhaps

755
00:31:02,450 --> 00:30:58,919
an iron meteorite or

756
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:02,460
was it artificial in origin if for

757
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,580
example made of stainless steel and I

758
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,380
already promised the curator of the

759
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,299
Museum of Modern Art in New York City

760
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:11,580
that if we find any gadget on the ocean

761
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,940
floor I will put it on display in New

762
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,559
York City because it would represent

763
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,899
modernity for us even though it may

764
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,880
represent ancient history for the

765
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,960
senders

766
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,480
oh wow you actually answered one of our

767
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,640
viewer questions just in regards to the

768
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:29,700
whole uh Ukrainian UAP report and the

769
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,779
question was from a gentleman named

770
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:32,760
Dennis I think it's Dennis Stefan or

771
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:35,159
Dennis Stefan but he wanted to know that

772
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:37,080
if something moving at that velocity

773
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,480
would create a fireball how does that

774
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,340
leave room for the Nimitz and you

775
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,080
mentioned you get rocks from both sides

776
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:45,960
right the UFO community and the Skeptics

777
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,880
and the scientists so he basically wants

778
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,980
to know if that thing was moving so fast

779
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,720
it should have had a fireball why didn't

780
00:31:56,769 --> 00:31:53,880
the Tic Tac so what are your thoughts on

781
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:56,779
that so my thoughts are

782
00:32:02,269 --> 00:32:00,299
we don't have the data we just have

783
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:02,279
eyewitness testimonies about what

784
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,080
happened

785
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,059
near the Nimitz and

786
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,220
um there were reports that the objects

787
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:10,679
were moving extremely fast but just

788
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:13,799
imagine a population of multiple objects

789
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,039
okay and some of them come in and out of

790
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:19,799
view let's say of a radar system or an

791
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,220
infrared sensor so you see an object at

792
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:25,440
one location and then it goes out of you

793
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,179
and then another object completely

794
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:28,860
independent of the first object you

795
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,039
looked at shows up behind you okay now

796
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:34,320
you you might argue oh it's the same

797
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,020
object it was moving extremely fast but

798
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,419
it's actually two different objects and

799
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:41,399
the only way for us to tell is if you

800
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,039
find some marker some flag on the object

801
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:46,080
that tells you that it's the same but

802
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:48,120
without that knowledge it could be a

803
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,799
population of objects and you would just

804
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:51,360
see them coming in and out of view

805
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,539
another possibility that one should keep

806
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:56,820
in mind is that it's not a real object

807
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:01,620
you are familiar with this game that one

808
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,980
plays with a laser beam uh tricking a

809
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,320
cat as if it's a real thing you know so

810
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:09,120
just move it on the floor the spot of

811
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:14,519
the laser and the cut ran after it right

812
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:18,779
um so the cat thinks it's a real object

813
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:20,519
but in fact it's just the spot of the

814
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,740
laser beam moving around it can move

815
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:25,740
really fast without doing anything to

816
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:29,700
the air without doing so the point is uh

817
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:33,059
we don't know why the government uh kept

818
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,080
the data from that incident secret you

819
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:39,600
know it's possible in my mind that it

820
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,399
was one branch of government that was

821
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:44,399
developing some kind of new technologies

822
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:48,120
let's say an unusual set of drones back

823
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:52,320
in 2020 but back in around 2000 so 20

824
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:53,940
years ago

825
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:57,059
um that back then you know people in the

826
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,159
military were not even imagining okay

827
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,960
and then if you had a population of

828
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,600
those you could have one being mistaken

829
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:05,700
for another as if it's moving really

830
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:09,000
fast or it could be lasers that were

831
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,740
used at the time you know now we know

832
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:13,440
that lasers are used also as weapons in

833
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:17,220
the Navy so it could be any new

834
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:19,320
technology that was tested and then of

835
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:21,480
course they didn't want the data to be

836
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:23,820
available because the it was all

837
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,060
secretive at the time so that is a

838
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:28,980
possibility and by the way I don't

839
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,280
really want to touch any classified data

840
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:34,500
or information that belongs to the

841
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:36,300
government because it's a matter of

842
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:38,940
National Security what I want to do is

843
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,119
collect new data because the sky is not

844
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:44,460
classified and collected with

845
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,940
instruments that I fully understand

846
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:49,980
without relying on eyewitness

847
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,780
testimonies these instruments will

848
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,879
record something in multiple wavelengths

849
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:57,240
so the Galore project has infrared radio

850
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,119
and Optical sensors that cover the

851
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,119
entire sky at all times there is an

852
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:06,240
audio sensor magnetic field sensor so

853
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,440
basically we'll have a full video of the

854
00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:14,040
sky with audio uh at all time like a

855
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,060
movie and then we will analyze it and

856
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,320
obviously we are calibrating our

857
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:22,079
instruments we understand fully how they

858
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,420
operate and let's see if we find

859
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:27,599
anything unusual so rather than

860
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,839
you know imagine what the military

861
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:33,540
personnel were seeing back then 20 years

862
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,920
ago now we have much better

863
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:37,560
instrumentation if there is a phenomena

864
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:41,339
out there that evaded explanation and

865
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,320
years of extraterrestrial origin we

866
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,260
should be able to see it and um you know

867
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:48,839
that's the the more healthy approach to

868
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:51,480
take because otherwise you can speculate

869
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:54,900
forever and that would not convince the

870
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:56,280
mainstream of the scientific community

871
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,859
so that we can move forward now of

872
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:00,780
course the government may have some data

873
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,960
that we don't have access to but I find

874
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,280
it hard to believe that they would

875
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:07,020
declassify I don't want to ask them to

876
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,579
declassify it because it will take

877
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,240
forever and I would rather collect data

878
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,280
about the sky myself and that's what we

879
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,839
are doing with the gorilla project and

880
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:18,240
so just stay tuned hopefully within a

881
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,740
year or two we'll have something

882
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:21,839
interesting to say

883
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,079
and as far as doing the expedition that

884
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,420
you guys are heading for you said in the

885
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,960
spring of of next year yes yes uh so how

886
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,760
difficult is it going to be to find

887
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,140
those fragments do you think they're

888
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:35,820
going to be quite easy to find or is it

889
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:37,320
going to be like a needle in a haystack

890
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:39,960
type situation well

891
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:44,579
um we need to visit the the the location

892
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,119
of where the fragments uh are expected

893
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:50,700
to be and for that we are trying to get

894
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:54,720
the the location precise as possible uh

895
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,619
by using uh government data so we are

896
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,200
trying to get the cooperation of the US

897
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:03,900
government to to know precisely where

898
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:06,599
this Fireball was observed so that we

899
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:10,380
minimize the area that we search over uh

900
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,839
but you have to understand that once the

901
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:14,640
object exploded in fact we have a new

902
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:17,300
scientific paper about it it

903
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,579
produced fragments of different sizes

904
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,680
most of them are around a millimeter the

905
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,200
head of a pin roughly the size the of

906
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,359
the head of a pin and for small

907
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,180
fragments uh the friction with the air

908
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,119
would bring them down just like droplets

909
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,520
of rain they would be stopped by the air

910
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:37,980
and just fall down and they were very

911
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:41,339
hot of course they they were melted the

912
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,119
material and uh then the bigger

913
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:47,880
fragments could continue along the path

914
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,020
of

915
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:51,900
the original meteor and so you end up

916
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,380
Distributing the fragments along a strip

917
00:38:00,609 --> 00:37:56,960
with the lightest ones

918
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:00,619
just about just below the explosion site

919
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,920
and the heaviest fragments

920
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:06,119
aiming in the same direction as the

921
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:09,780
meteor was aiming so so we want to find

922
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:13,380
this trip and the ocean is uh fairly

923
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,680
deep out there it's about a mile deep so

924
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,079
we are designing special Machinery that

925
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,839
will include the sled with a magnet and

926
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,540
also a net behind it that will collect

927
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,880
the fragments and you know it's possible

928
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,280
that we will not find anything because

929
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:31,200
you know in principle everything could

930
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:34,260
have been vaporized for example or that

931
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,800
we visit the wrong place uh but we very

932
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,240
much hope that we will find something

933
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,339
and we don't need more than a few grams

934
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:43,140
of material in order to figure out the

935
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,099
composition

936
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:46,500
so we will do our best and I'm willing

937
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,300
to sleep on the deck you know under

938
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:49,920
conditions that I haven't experienced

939
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:53,700
since I was a paratrooper in the Israeli

940
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,540
military back in my 20s uh some 40 years

941
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:58,800
ago

942
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,740
um and then uh we shall see what we find

943
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:03,960
you know it's really exciting and um

944
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,540
because we are doing science we are not

945
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,700
the you know this is the first object

946
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,980
from Interstellar space ever spotted and

947
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,020
we have a chance of putting our hands on

948
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,119
the material and if you wanted to do it

949
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:17,400
in space it it would be a mission that

950
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,820
cost more than a billion dollars so it's

951
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,040
about a thousand times cheaper to do it

952
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:24,960
here on Earth and that's what we are

953
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:25,740
doing

954
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,619
so is he significant to this is that

955
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,660
it's a rock that originated outside of

956
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:32,760
our galaxy is that why outside outside

957
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,339
of the solar system so the the Milky Way

958
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,560
galaxy is a collection of tens of

959
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,900
billions of stars you know many of which

960
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,119
are just like the sun

961
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,579
um so that's that's a galaxy galaxy is

962
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,320
the collection of stars and then beyond

963
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:48,000
the Milky Way galaxy there is the entire

964
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:50,280
universe that is made of about a

965
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:52,859
trillion galaxies okay so all together

966
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,140
the number of stars and the number of

967
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,260
earth-like planets in the observable

968
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:00,780
volume of the universe is more than the

969
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,780
number of grains of sand on all beaches

970
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:06,560
on Earth it's 10 to the power

971
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,380
21. so the huge number and that's why we

972
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,480
should be modest and not assume that we

973
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:15,420
are that Albert Einstein was the

974
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,160
smartest scientist who ever lived since

975
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,500
the big bang you know 13.8 billion years

976
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:21,720
ago there must have been scientists on

977
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:24,420
other planets billions of years ago that

978
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,280
were smarter than Einstein and the

979
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,320
civilization that benefited from their

980
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,720
wisdom could have had

981
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:33,599
could have sent probes into Interstellar

982
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,160
space that would have reached Us by now

983
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,440
and we just need to search for that and

984
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,560
and we can learn from them uh why not

985
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:43,079
look over the shoulders of a smarter kid

986
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,140
you know in our class and learn from the

987
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:48,599
answers that they gave simply because

988
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,180
they had more time you know and and what

989
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,460
I keep saying is you know we tend to

990
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,400
think that we are at the center of the

991
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:57,839
stage

992
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,320
um of a cosmic play uh but guess what we

993
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,880
are not at the center of the stage we

994
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:04,320
know that the Earth moves around the sun

995
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,880
the sun moves around the center of the

996
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:07,920
Milky Way galaxy it's one out of tens of

997
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,140
billions of stars like it and then the

998
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:11,760
Milky Way moves in some random Direction

999
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,579
relative to other galaxies so we are not

1000
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:16,260
at the center of the stage that's for

1001
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,920
for sure uh but um moreover we just

1002
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,500
arrived the human species was just

1003
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,440
formed a few million years ago and

1004
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:27,780
that's a tiny fraction of the age of the

1005
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,760
universe

1006
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:30,900
13.8 billion years

1007
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:34,380
so um you know if we are if you are not

1008
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,220
at the center of stage and you just

1009
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,380
arrive at the end of the play

1010
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,839
there is a very simple conclusion the

1011
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,359
play is not about you yeah okay we

1012
00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:47,820
refuse to accept that but it's obvious

1013
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:50,099
any kid would tell you that if you're

1014
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,599
not in the center of the stage and you

1015
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,460
arrive just in last moments of the play

1016
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,400
it's not about you now the if you want

1017
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,740
to find more about the play you better

1018
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,440
find other actors who have been around

1019
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,839
look for longer and they might tell you

1020
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,820
what it's about and that is the correct

1021
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:07,200
approach

1022
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:10,320
so this is just again the theorizing

1023
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,160
here but do you think it's sort of a a

1024
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:15,359
cosmic thing that

1025
00:42:18,589 --> 00:42:16,920
Evolution

1026
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:18,599
um you know for the the species that

1027
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:21,900
have evolved faster more than us or is

1028
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:23,640
just scientifically more inclined than

1029
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:26,520
we are is it sort of not their

1030
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:27,960
responsibility of these sort of help

1031
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:29,820
other species you know what I mean like

1032
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:32,339
is it a thing that might be Universal

1033
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,339
that to help each other out one thing

1034
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,800
that we run across a lot in this podcast

1035
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,740
is the theme of Consciousness now we do

1036
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,079
look at different aspects than than you

1037
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:46,020
because you're more you got your

1038
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:48,300
um you know your specializations that

1039
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:50,099
you you focus on we look at different

1040
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,720
things and we keep hearing about

1041
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,040
Consciousness Consciousness

1042
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,720
Consciousness it seems to be something

1043
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,200
that we keep hearing and that these

1044
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:00,000
crafts operate on Consciousness the ones

1045
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,040
that are anyways reported in our skies

1046
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,140
not the ones that are out there the ones

1047
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:06,000
that you're searching for

1048
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:07,859
um but I keep thinking is that like a

1049
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,619
cosmic thing that you know visitation is

1050
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:13,319
a normal thing like once we humans have

1051
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:14,940
evolved to a point that we're able to

1052
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,819
explore of their civilizations would it

1053
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,500
be our duty at that point to sort of

1054
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:21,119
help them along the way or at least give

1055
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:24,599
them little nuggets of information no I

1056
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,180
don't think that's the motivation and it

1057
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:29,700
will take us a while to figure out you

1058
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,819
know what their purpose is because I the

1059
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:34,560
way I imagine it is that there would be

1060
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,359
far more I mean these whatever we find

1061
00:43:40,809 --> 00:43:38,880
these objects which will not carry

1062
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:40,819
biological creatures because you know

1063
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:43,260
humans for example were never designed

1064
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,000
to survive in interstellar space you

1065
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,040
know the trip with chemical Rockets

1066
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,920
takes 50 000 years to reach the nearest

1067
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,800
star and you know hundreds of millions

1068
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:54,420
of years to cross the Milky Way galaxy

1069
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,300
so you know that's not a short time and

1070
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:59,880
you can't enjoy the trip and also you

1071
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:01,740
would not survive the bombardment by

1072
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,200
energetic particles the vacuum out there

1073
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,540
and so forth makes much more sense to

1074
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,880
send the electronic systems that have

1075
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,220
artificial intelligence I call them AI

1076
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,619
astronauts and that's most likely what

1077
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,180
we will find we will find the

1078
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,760
technological gadgets with technologies

1079
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:20,040
that are far more advanced than we

1080
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,960
possess but that's not because the other

1081
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,240
civilization station evolved faster than

1082
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,819
we did it's because they started earlier

1083
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,520
I just mentioned most of the Stars you

1084
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,200
know were formed five billion years

1085
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,300
before the sun we know that because we

1086
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,800
observed the star formation history of

1087
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:36,780
the universe so the sun is a late

1088
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:39,720
bloomer so you know in fact within a

1089
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,960
billion years the sun will boil off all

1090
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:45,180
the oceans on Earth and Humanity will

1091
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,099
not survive beyond that time for sure

1092
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,099
irrespective of what we do and other

1093
00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:52,640
sons have reached that Milestone

1094
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:56,420
basically the the star the whole star

1095
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,819
destroyed sterilized habitable planets

1096
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:02,880
around them okay and so whatever

1097
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:05,940
civilization may have existed uh is you

1098
00:45:10,329 --> 00:45:08,819
know dead by now and it's possible that

1099
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:10,339
you know they had

1100
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:14,520
cried for help and the last moment when

1101
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,740
the star

1102
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:18,359
basically burned up the surface of the

1103
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:21,020
planet so there were cries for help but

1104
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,839
it fell on death death ears here on

1105
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,520
Earth because there were only microbes

1106
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,460
on Earth at the time we just started our

1107
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:31,560
life here on Earth and there was no

1108
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,540
intelligent species here on Earth at the

1109
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:35,940
time so there could have been a lot of

1110
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,040
civilizations before us that are dead by

1111
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,040
now but they could have sent equipment

1112
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,619
to space you know and and we can find it

1113
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:45,839
and it's just you know every morning I

1114
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:48,839
jog at five a.m it's at Sunrise and I I

1115
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,300
jog through the local woods and

1116
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,800
um they you know there is this

1117
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:54,660
philosophical question if a tree falls

1118
00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:57,480
in the forest and there is no one to

1119
00:46:01,329 --> 00:46:00,300
hear the sound uh does it actually make

1120
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:01,339
a sound

1121
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:06,359
uh my point is I do see those

1122
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,619
um logs

1123
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,800
of of trees that fell without anyone

1124
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:13,020
hearing their sound okay so I can tell

1125
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,819
that there was a tree because I see the

1126
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,160
trunk and I see the log and it tells me

1127
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:18,960
that there was a living tree before the

1128
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,099
log fell to the ground and in the same

1129
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,579
way we can find you know those AI

1130
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,220
astronauts technological equipment that

1131
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:32,400
was sent to space from civilizations

1132
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:34,980
that are dead by now okay that's like

1133
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:38,819
archeology you find relics and I think

1134
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,099
that is the correct thing to do rather

1135
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,440
than look for wait for a phone call from

1136
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,420
those civilizations which is pretty much

1137
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,940
what we've been doing for 70 years in

1138
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,440
the context of seti the search for

1139
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,359
extraterrestrial intelligence we were

1140
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:53,040
waiting for a phone call we were looking

1141
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,980
for radio signals the correct approach

1142
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,560
is to check your mailbox maybe you have

1143
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,839
packages in the mailbox that accumulated

1144
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:03,180
over time it's a very different approach

1145
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:05,819
and that's what I'm trying to promote it

1146
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:08,099
was not practiced in the past and the

1147
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,339
strange thing is the seti community has

1148
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,160
a problem with that they ridicule the

1149
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,880
discussion of objects as potential you

1150
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:19,980
know signatures of extraterrestrial

1151
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:21,780
intelligence and you ask yourself why

1152
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,119
would the City Community not include

1153
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:26,819
that as part of in fact they banned

1154
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,420
discussions on UAP in any Conference of

1155
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,880
seti that was banned a year ago yeah

1156
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:35,339
nobody is allowed to discuss it oh wow

1157
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,339
so you ask yourself why is that and the

1158
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,280
only way I can understand it is if the

1159
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,920
City Community is trying to signal is to

1160
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:46,380
sort of like virtue signaling trying to

1161
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:49,980
signal to the mainstream look uh you

1162
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,780
know this subject there is a subject

1163
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,880
that is even more speculative than what

1164
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:56,700
we are doing and we want you know we

1165
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:58,619
don't want to consider it we are sort of

1166
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:01,640
middle way and are trying to appease

1167
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,859
those Skeptics and basically say give us

1168
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,260
a little money so we can do our work and

1169
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,780
my point is one should not be apologetic

1170
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,460
about it because there are all these

1171
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,140
unusual objects let's figure them out

1172
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,300
and if the U.S you know under these

1173
00:48:19,329 --> 00:48:17,040
circumstances it's obvious why the US

1174
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:19,339
government would be the first to discuss

1175
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:22,980
uh unidentified objects because they

1176
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:25,260
have it's their day job to monitor the

1177
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,700
sky they don't have the luxury of

1178
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:30,000
ignoring the sky okay so they monitor

1179
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,500
the sky and they see things they don't

1180
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,599
understand so if there is anything out

1181
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,700
there the US government would be first

1182
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:37,859
to to notice it and that's what that's

1183
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:40,980
the reality that we face and so I think

1184
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:43,319
it is our civil Duty as scientists to

1185
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,420
help the government figure it out now if

1186
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,280
we don't find anything outside of this

1187
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:50,099
Earth so be it that's the way science is

1188
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:52,940
done but we definitely have to examine

1189
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:55,859
uh what the government is reporting to

1190
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:59,160
figure out if if it's relief outside of

1191
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,900
this Earth

1192
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:02,640
um and you know that that's also

1193
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,560
exciting I I don't see any problem with

1194
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,599
that um it's actually just like a kid

1195
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,839
wondering uh what the world is about and

1196
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,760
we should do it with modesty we should

1197
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,460
do it with while being agnostic without

1198
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:17,099
prejudice and and just you know get

1199
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,540
better data

1200
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:20,520
I love the way that you think I love the

1201
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:22,380
your approach to this I love hearing

1202
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:25,380
somebody of science like yourself uh and

1203
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:27,420
quite high up in science you know all

1204
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,920
the way to Harvard for crying out loud

1205
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,260
uh saying uh you know that we should

1206
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,000
look at this that this is something to

1207
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,460
really you know take a serious look at

1208
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,619
it and not dismiss it anymore the way

1209
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,480
that people have in the past so that

1210
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,520
that's amazing uh Louis do you have any

1211
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,619
final questions for our guest today no I

1212
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,300
just want to give a very warm uh thanks

1213
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,880
to Mr Avi lobe uh again you're you're

1214
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,099
you're ballsy I know that's blunt but

1215
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:51,599
it's true I mean you could easily be

1216
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,220
studying different things or doing this

1217
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:55,380
quietly but you're not scared to go

1218
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,000
against some of those opponents and say

1219
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,220
well why not talk about this you know

1220
00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,960
like there's no proof one way or the

1221
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,579
other let's find some proof instead of

1222
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:05,460
conjecture and just having your idea my

1223
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,859
idea it's all Theology and let's get

1224
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,720
something that's actual nuts and bolts

1225
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,760
right we hear that term a lot yeah we

1226
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,859
want the nuts and bolts and now we got a

1227
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,540
guy trying to find it and he's getting

1228
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,180
stoned so it's important to to have

1229
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:21,359
people like yourself and again if you

1230
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:24,300
were doing something that was crazy or

1231
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:26,040
against the government you probably

1232
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:27,540
wouldn't be doing it somebody would have

1233
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,920
silenced you or said hey this is

1234
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,440
something you don't go near so I I just

1235
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,780
tried to follow common sense and the two

1236
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:36,060
things I wanted to mention one we live

1237
00:50:39,609 --> 00:50:37,859
for a short time okay so instead of

1238
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,619
spending our time on social media and

1239
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:42,540
seeking as many likes as we can we

1240
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,819
better you know learn from nature figure

1241
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,400
out what is out there and that's that

1242
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:49,940
implies collecting evidence and you know

1243
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,880
I I see the back and forth conversation

1244
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,160
is waste of time you know and eventually

1245
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,559
when the evidence will be Beyond any

1246
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,960
reasonable doubt you know whoever

1247
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,000
doesn't believe it would look like a nut

1248
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:05,280
okay because we would have the evidence

1249
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,559
and of course it's a circle if you don't

1250
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:09,420
seek evidence you will never find it so

1251
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:12,359
I'm trying to break that mold okay and

1252
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,819
the second thing is science should be

1253
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,740
fun you know it's not supposed to be

1254
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:18,780
boring it's not supposed to be about out

1255
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:21,059
the egos of experts claiming they know

1256
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:22,680
everything that everything in the sky

1257
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,319
must be rocks it's not about that it's

1258
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,660
about okay here is something intriguing

1259
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:30,180
it's exciting you know why don't we

1260
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,579
figure it out just like kids and you

1261
00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:34,680
know the personal attacks that I get

1262
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:38,040
sometimes I think the biggest impact is

1263
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,500
that they deter young people from taking

1264
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,319
the path not taken and that suppresses

1265
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,420
innovation in science that's very bad

1266
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:47,460
for science for Academia in general and

1267
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:51,000
and so that makes me even stronger I I

1268
00:51:55,329 --> 00:51:54,780
told my uh publicist that by now

1269
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:55,339
um

1270
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:00,900
really care what other people say and

1271
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,260
and the other thing in June 2023 I will

1272
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:06,660
have a new book coming out it's called

1273
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,660
the interstellar and that will speak

1274
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:11,640
about the implications to humanity of

1275
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:15,420
whatever we find nice amazing well thank

1276
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:16,859
you so much sir we can't thank you

1277
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,059
enough we'd love to have you back on

1278
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,160
again maybe next year you're doing some

1279
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,839
ocean scrubs you find something cool

1280
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,760
come on back on and share it with our

1281
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:25,440
audience and our viewers I'll be

1282
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:27,240
delighted thank you thank you so much